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Thank you!! -Jules

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Actually it might make more

Actually it might make more sense to change the code so it's not dependent on knowing the boardnum values in advance. Even if we can get a list of all boardnum values made so far from Netgear, there's nothing preventing Netgear from releasing new batches of routers with different values. Maybe there's a way to test whether sflash is supported without using boardnum?

achilles
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jules said:

jules said:
Actually it might make more sense to change the code so it's not dependent on knowing the boardnum values in advance. Even if we can get a list of all boardnum values made so far from Netgear, there's nothing preventing Netgear from releasing new batches of routers with different values. Maybe there's a way to test whether sflash is supported without using boardnum?

Well jules , from the code where the checking for sflash support  is done I observed that one more common parameter i.e

boardtype is being used for checking ..... Can this checking be done based on boardtype only ????

Could anybody plz tell me if it can be done and if not then why ???? 

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I have killed two wrg614l

I have killed two wrg614l routers with dd-wrt mini by applying the factory reset option. On one that was the ONLY thing I did. On the other, I performed the factory reset as part of an upgrade to the 11604_NEWD_openvpn version.

Both are showing the symptom of boot-loop described above.

Any progress on this?

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would anyone happen to know,

would anyone happen to know, whether this has been fixed meanwhile? I also have a WW version, only boardrev is different (0x11 instead of 0x11)

root@router:~# nvram show | egrep "boardnum|reset_gpio|boardtype|boardrev|boardflags"
boardrev=0x11
reset_gpio=7
boardtype=0x048e
boardflags2=0
boardflags=0x750
size: 29878 bytes (2890 left)
boardnum=83258
root@router:~#

I would like to upgrade from DD-WRT v24-sp2 (12/14/08) mini (SVN revision 11205M NEWD Eko) to something more recent and I want to have OpenVPN. The instructions at the dd-wrt website say that you must do a 30-30-30 reset before and after each flashing. I just wonder where the risk of bricking the box is higher, when doing the hard reset or when not doing it...

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hi johannes ,

hi johannes ,
The problem that has been discussed in this thread is caused by an improper board number whose support is not there in DD-WRT's sflash code ... your board number is OK ...
Now if your board also comes from the batch mentioned above then factory reset will not work and cause a brick ...
So it would be better to do a f/w upgrade without factory reset ...also whenever u want to flash a 3rd party f/w ... u shud first flash default netgear f/w and then proceed from there to a third party f/w ....

Johannes
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achilles said:

achilles said:
hi johannes ,
The problem that has been discussed in this thread is caused by an improper board number whose support is not there in DD-WRT's sflash code ... your board number is OK ...
Now if your board also comes from the batch mentioned above then factory reset will not work and cause a brick ...
So it would be better to do a f/w upgrade without factory reset ...also whenever u want to flash a 3rd party f/w ... u shud first flash default netgear f/w and then proceed from there to a third party f/w ....

Thanks, Archilles, I have read the discussion and I hope I have understood it. The problem is that there are several reported cases,  and I do not know how to identify the original board number, given that as soon as the box is flashed, the board number is change (to this 5 digit number starting with 8). So I do not see a way to rule out that I might be bitten by this as well.

But if netgear simply releases hardware with this board number, in which way is it "improper"? (I have honestly no clue what they are for, anyway). Shouldn't the dd-wrt code be changed to reflect this, if the alternative is converting routers to paperweights? 

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Yep ... changing the DD-WRT

Yep ... changing the DD-WRT code would be the best way for fixing this ... but I am not sure whether it has been done till now or not ...
In the DD-WRT code that I have there is no such fix ...
Need to check if it has been included in the latest ...
Also board no. starting with 8 i.e 83258 is OK ... the problem may happen if we do a factory reset bcoz that may change the board no. to a value whose support z not there in DD-WRT code ....

Johannes
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achilles said:

achilles said:
Yep ... changing the DD-WRT code would be the best way for fixing this ... but I am not sure whether it has been done till now or not ...
In the DD-WRT code that I have there is no such fix ...
Need to check if it has been included in the latest ...
Also board no. starting with 8 i.e 83258 is OK ... the problem may happen if we do a factory reset bcoz that may change the board no. to a value whose support z not there in DD-WRT code ....

Yes, but is there any way of knowing what the other number will be? Above it has been said that the other number is the original board number,  until the box is flashed with Netgear's firmware. If so,  is there a way to find out what it is, without a serial cable?

I more and more come to think that if Netgear really sells the WGR614L as "open source router", they should have integrated a jack for a serial cable in the first place, instead of forcing you to ether be /extremely/  cautious or buy a soldering iron. 

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I dnt know any way of knowing

I dnt know any way of knowing the original board no. in advance other than serial console ....
We may get it in specs (not very sure abt it ..)...
Will let u know if I cum to know abt any other way of getting the board no. ...

achilles
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I dnt know any way of knowing

I dnt know any way of knowing the original board no. in advance other than serial console ....
We may get it in specs (not very sure abt it ..)...
Will let u know if I come to know abt any other way of getting the board no. ...

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boardnum = 0123 added today

boardnum = 0123 added today to dd-wrt code

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Eko said:

Eko said:
boardnum = 0123 added today to dd-wrt code

thnx eko ..... now people shud not have problems with board no. when they do a factory reset ...

Could u plz tell us starting from which svn build this fix is present.....

 

Johannes
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achilles said:

achilles said:

Eko said: boardnum = 0123 added today to dd-wrt code

thnx eko ..... now people shud not have problems with board no. when they do a factory reset ...
Could u plz tell us starting from which svn build this fix is present.....

It looks like the issue is fixed in svn revision 12222 , meaning that the recently announced build 12250 should have the fix.

See the announcement at www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=52768

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so this is finally solved.

so this is finally solved. However, FLOSS firmware will forseeably continue to provide myriads of opportunities to shoot yourself into the foot. If the term "Open Source router" is to be anything else than pure marketspeak, Netgear should definitely integrate a serial console jack into future versions, providing access to the console without soldering. Open source and a closed box do not go together well. I wonder how often I would already have bricked my desktop and laptop computers if there was not access to the console.

When I heard first about the serial console cable and how it can be used to unbrick a router I assumed that you simply plug it in an then you fire up your favourite terminal emulation. I never thought that you would have to open the box first and mess around with the soldering gun, more so since this would immediate terminate any warranty. Even worse, one document found here at this site say that your warrantly is immediately voided if you install third-party firmware on the router. So if you use your "open source router" as an open source router, then you loose your warranty. What kind of doublethink is this?

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For the problem boardnum

For the problem boardnum value:
boardnum=0123
Is that value octal, decimal, hex, or a string? Thx.

The value is octal in C code. Some of the printed output suggests the value is decimal (eg 83258), but maybe it's a typo of 0x123 which is hex?

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Johannes said:

Johannes said:

Thanks, Archilles, I have read the discussion and I hope I have understood it. The problem is that there are several reported cases,  and I do not know how to identify the original board number, given that as soon as the box is flashed, the board number is change (to this 5 digit number starting with ...

 

The original board number appears to be encoded into the router's CFE boot block. Inspecting the v8_cfe_1_3 from the downloads section, I found this:

$ strings v8_cfe_1_3 | more
...
boardtype=0x48E
boardnum=0123
...
sromrev=2
...

Obtaining a CFE backup in advance and inspecting it is one way to check for a potential boardnum problem in advance.

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retro98 said:

retro98 said:

Johannes said:

Thanks, Archilles, I have read the discussion and I hope I have understood it. The problem is that there are several reported cases,  and I do not know how to identify the original board number, given that as soon as the box is flashed, the board number is change (to this 5 digit number starting with ...

The original board number appears to be encoded into the router's CFE boot block. Inspecting the v8_cfe_1_3 from the downloads section, I found this:
$ strings v8_cfe_1_3 | more
...
boardtype=0x48E
boardnum=0123
...
sromrev=2
...
Obtaining a CFE backup in advance and inspecting it is one way to check for a potential boardnum problem in advance.

To do that, you probably need a serial console anyway, so it does not save you work.

retro98
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It's advisable to copy and

It's advisable to copy and backup the flash before flashing anything new, ...especially with an open source router. It turns out this is possible to do without first installing the serial console. Unfortunately, I didn't find this advice documented.

With the Netgear factory firmware (1.1.11 in my test case):
. Configure a tftp server host. I use Solaris, which comes with a tftpd, but this simple utility is readily available for Windows too.
. Run the Netgear telnet enable utility available in the download section (http://www.myopenrouter.com/download/10602/NETGEAR-Telnet-Enable-Utility/).
. Get access to the router cli: telnet routerip
. Use tftp to backup the flash. Below, 192.168.1.10 is my tftp server host.

BusyBox v0.60.0 (2008.05.15-10:32+0000) Built-in shell (msh)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# tftp put /dev/mtd/0ro 192.168.1.10:mtd0-cfe
# tftp put /dev/mtd/6ro 192.168.1.10:mtd6-board-data
# # Also backup 1ro 2ro 3ro 4ro 5ro and 7ro
# exit

If dd-wrt is already installed, backup the cfe using http: //router's-ip/backup/cfe.bin. Then inspect it before resetting (and possibly bricking) the router.

Johannes
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retro98 said:

retro98 said:
It's advisable to copy and backup the flash before flashing anything new, ...especially with an open source router. It turns out this is possible to do without first installing the serial console. Unfortunately, I didn't find this advice documented.
With the Netgear factory firmware (1.1.11 in my test case): 

If you have Netgear's firmware installed, the boardnum is already changed from the original, see above. Therefore, examining a backup made at that point does not reveal whether or not your board has that nonstandard boardnum. That is what has been said above. Additionally, the bug has been fixed lateley, therefore installing a recent version should be safe, unless there are more nonstandard boardnums around...

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Johannes said:

Johannes said:
If you have Netgear's firmware installed, the boardnum is already changed from the original, see above. Therefore, examining a backup made at that point does not reveal whether or not your board has that nonstandard boardnum. That is what has been said above. Additionally, the bug has been fixed lateley, therefore installing a recent version should be safe, unless there are more nonstandard boardnums around...

 

I have Netgear's firmware installed. The boardnum gets changed for nvram (backup file mtd7-nvram). The CFE boot block doesn't change, and I believe the CFE to be the source of the original value. My CFE has "boardnum=01" and my nvram says "boardnum=83258".

I'm uncertain about the fix. Are you able to really test the fix?

With "boardnum=0123" it's unclear to me how the router run time code interpretes that string. And looking at the bug fix code, I think the fix assumes 0123 is an octal value (or boardnum=83). Is that assumption correct? If not, then the fix won't work.

 

Edit:

After looking more at the fixed code (http://svn.dd-wrt.com:8000/dd-wrt/browser/src/router/libutils/utils.c?re...), boardnum value comparisons are done both as a string in some cases, and as a value (from strtoul( ?? ,NULL,0)) in other cases. So the value of "0123" assumes octal digits. The fix should match "boardnum=0123" or "boardnum=83". Note that if anyone encounters "boardnum=123", that won't match.

achilles
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OK ...but u can try it once

OK ...but u can try it once urself ... for testing this fix one needs to have a board with the same default board no. as of urs ....
If I mange to get one such board I will give it a try ....
But u can try it in the mean time and this fix z not supposed to harm ur board ...

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retro98 said:

retro98 said:
After looking more at the fixed code (http://svn.dd-wrt.com:8000/dd-wrt/browser/src/router/libutils/utils.c?rev=12222) boardnum value comparisons are done both as a string in some cases, and as a value (from strtoul( ?? ,NULL,0)) in other cases. So the value of "0123" assumes octal digits. The fix should match "boardnum=0123" or "boardnum=83". Note that if anyone encounters "boardnum=123", that won't match.

Hi, I suggest you direct this question to the dd-wrt bugzilla, see http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/bugtracker/view.php?id=3657
Maybe add a comment there. I do not think the dd-wrt devs read this forum here so we can have endless discussions but no result

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