Need to buy a new Router - Wireless N or G?

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drgonz
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I just got a quick question

I just got a quick question about this subject. I'm in the process of switching ISPs (any Canadians will know Rogers and how much they suck and rip you off for it) to a DSL connection (yah I know, but I'm a poor college student) and I would like to know what is best for this type of connection (5Mb down 1Mb up). A friend of mine suggested to get a G router since with N the speed improvement is really only with internal file sharing. Is this true? Would a G router suffice with my connection speed? They are cheaper, which is a plus, but I do have a N card in my desktop for my current ISP connection. All I plan on doing is basic video steaming, downloading and web surfing. If I really won't notice the difference, I'm happy with G, but I figure I'd ask around to get other peoples 2 cents.

Thanks!

MelD
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I have a home business with a

I have a home business with a lot of confidential info flowing over my G network. I could use the extra speed, but don't want to increase the coverage distance to let others have a chance to break into my network. Can I somehow decrease the range of an N network or am I better to stick with Wireless G?

k1ngmob
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RE:I have a neighbor who is a

RE:I have a neighbor who is a childhood friend. If we buy a wireless N router for his house would I be able to receive a reliable signal? The distance from my house to his is about 40-50 yards. It would be great to split the cost of internet service each month. :)

That should work, just make sure you don't both try to masturbate at the same time. I mean surf the web.

sal
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will a wireless G adapter

will a wireless G adapter work with a wireless N router?

buddee
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sal said:

sal said:
will a wireless G adapter work with a wireless N router?

Yes so long as the you run the wireless N in 2.4ghz N mode and not in 5ghz. The G adapters can then fall back on the N band. In order to run 5ghz 40mhz you need a dual band adapter which netgear and linksys both make otherwise you wont be able to see the 5ghz band, so break down is easy, make sure you run N in 2.4ghz mode and your old legacy G cards can see it and get fall back speeds, only 1 set back with that, if your N router detects G clients, your whole network will become a 54mb, even the N clients, because of the G fall back. Best to just upgrade to N adapters across the board, or get a dual radio router like a Netgear WNDR3300, this way you can run one radio in G mode and run one radio in N mode and never be affected. hope that makes sense cause it almost even confused me.

Allan
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Well, harley, I don't know if

Well, harley, I don't know if you found the answer to your delema, but it may be that your cordless phone is at fault. If your phone operates at 2.4Ghz, and you already changed the channel multiple times on your wireless router, you may want to consider purchasing a cordless phone (phone set) that operates at a higher frequency.

Kong
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make sure you run N in 2.4ghz

make sure you run N in 2.4ghz mode and your old legacy G cards can see it and get fall back speeds, only 1 set back with that, if your N router detects G clients, your whole network will become a 54mb, even the N clients, because of the G fall back

No you are wrong. WNR3500L will serve both G and N clients with maximum client speed at the same time.

buddee
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Kong said:

Kong said:

make sure you run N in 2.4ghz mode and your old legacy G cards can see it and get fall back speeds, only 1 set back with that, if your N router detects G clients, your whole network will become a 54mb, even the N clients, because of the G fall back

No you are wrong. WNR3500L will serve both G and N clients with maximum client speed at the same time.

Nah not wrong, just you haven't done enough reading on it, I've done alot of research

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30664/228/

So long as the proper security is in place. You MUST use WPA2 authentication with AES
encryption only, or use no security at all if you wish to achieve N
rates. Anything else is against the N spec and typically results in the
client falling back to G rates. This means all of your adapters and routers must support this encryption!
Even if you are connecting to your N router at 130 mbps or 270 mbps,
actual throughput will be roughly half the link rate due to modulation
and error correction.What it says in Windows and what you are REALLY getting is 2 different things. From my testing of mixing both n and g clients, my network fell back to all G spec 54mbit due to legacy detection. Thus my purchase of Netgear WNDR3300, so i could run a separate G and a separate N radio and never be affected by this.

Kong
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Basically all G adapters

Basically all G adapters support I know of support WPA2 AES. Can you give me an example which does not:-)

Even if you are connecting to your N router at 130 mbps or 270 mbps, actual throughput will be roughly half the link rate due to modulation and error correction

Well it's not that simple:-)

Example: If you have 5 clients (all connected with lets say 48Mbps) transfering at 'their' full speed none of them will get even close to 24Mbps, you know what I mean, we are not talking about a switched network:-)

buddee
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Didn't try to dive to deep

Didn't try to dive to deep into it. Just gave a simple layout, but if to you it is wrong then be that as it may. :)

buddee
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Oh and just for another good

Oh and just for another good poke, its the main reason they made dual radio routers. :)

jts_houston
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If you are looking for a new

If you are looking for a new router go with the

wonderer
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So, I am curious if there is

So, I am curious if there is a way to run N and G wireless on the same router? I have an older HP laptop and currently use the 802.11g or whatever it is...a Netgear WGR614v7 wireless router. I can also use macbook and a recent macbook pro using this router. I am interested in upgrading to a new laptop that is N-capable, so a router that offers both would be ideal...or can I use the N network witha g laptop (obviously without N-benefits)?

Brandon C
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You can tun both at the same

You can tun both at the same time. You may lose a little efficiency in the "N" stream but probably not enough to worry about.

Or you could do what I did and take a WGR614L, put DD-WRT on it turn it into a wireless "G" only client and plug it into one of the "N" router Cat5 ports.

Then the "N" router is set to "N" only and a completely different wireless channel. Works Great!

buddee
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Also consider getting a dual

Also consider getting a dual radio router, the Netgear WNDR3300 is pretty cheap for the refurb (about $40) and works great with dd-wrt, then like i mentioned above, you can have the best of both worlds, run the N radio in N spec, and run the G radio for legacy clients, this helps also if your just doing bit by bit upgrades to your wireless nic's, stead of upgrading to N adapters in one fell swoop, you can slowly upgrade your nic's to N spec, this way the more N adapters you add in, it'll intergrate seemlessly into your network.

speedrider
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How do motels get a signal to

How do motels get a signal to all the rooms? Do they have several routers?

I saw the question asked earlier in this forum about connecting a second wireless router to extend range. Can that be done wirelessly?
Thanks

speedrider
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How do motels get a signal to

How do motels get a signal to all the rooms? Do they have several routers? I saw the question asked earlier in this forum about connecting a second wireless router to extend range. Can that be done wirelessly?
Thanks

speedrider
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How do motels get a signal to

How do motels get a signal to all the rooms? Do they have several routers? I saw the question asked earlier in this forum about connecting a second wireless router to extend range. Can that be done wirelessly?
Thanks

speedrider
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Sorry about the multiple

Sorry about the multiple posts.

wonderer
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Ok, I think I have found a N

Ok, I think I have found a N and G type wireless router I am happy with. My next question regards router logs. I currently cannot use logging info on my router, as it stores only 128 entries and I cannot get it to email me the log. Does anyone know of a router with simple logging features that are easier to configure emailing the full log, or having the log save? I just dont want the log to clear when it gets full because I cannot see what kids are doing during the day. I only want the basic internet traffic attempts, I do not wish to fully invade my childs privacy, but I do need to make certain I can block specific URLS if I would like...

Hands of Blue
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speedrider said: How do

speedrider said: How do motels get a signal to all the rooms? Do they have several routers? I saw the question asked earlier in this forum about connecting a second wireless router to extend range. Can that be done wirelessly? Thanks

Yes and yes (it's called WDS).

Hands of Blue
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wonderer said: Ok, I think I

wonderer said: Ok, I think I have found a N and G type wireless router I am happy with. My next question regards router logs. I currently cannot use logging info on my router, as it stores only 128 entries and I cannot get it to email me the log. Does anyone know of a router with simple logging features that are easier to configure emailing the full log, or having the log save? I just dont want the log to clear when it gets full because I cannot see what kids are doing during the day. I only want the basic internet traffic attempts, I do not wish to fully invade my childs privacy, but I do need to make certain I can block specific URLS if I would like...

If you flash the 3500L with DD-WRT you can certainly do all of that.

Nicholas
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Hi, i have a advanteck

Hi, i have a advanteck wireless USB 2.0 G adapter okay and well the signal keeps dropping and mostly only connects for a few minutes in the night, i have a normal router so i wanted to know if i use a cisco wirless usb adapter or a linksys usb adapter if the length of range would extend so it would connect and work fast, or what do i have to do change my router? Please tell me what i can do and what is the best usb adapter for me to use to get more range.

buddee
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Nicholas said: Hi, i have a

Nicholas said: Hi, i have a advanteck wireless USB 2.0 G adapter okay and well the signal keeps dropping and mostly only connects for a few minutes in the night, i have a normal router so i wanted to know if i use a cisco wirless usb adapter or a linksys usb adapter if the length of range would extend so it would connect and work fast, or what do i have to do change my router? Please tell me what i can do and what is the best usb adapter for me to use to get more range.

I would look into getting some kind of N capable usb adapter. They have always provided good range for me. Also what kind of router do you have? Thats gonna matter in terms of range as well.

Boltman300
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I have a brand new Dell E5400

I have a brand new Dell E5400 Laptop that will not connect to my 'G' router at home, but will connect everywhere else I take to - McDonalds,Subway,Hotels,Etc.
My other laptops are all a few years old - do I need to switch to an 'N' router?

Brandon C
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Whether G or N shouldn't

Whether G or N shouldn't matter. Your laptop may be able to do "N" connects but it should fall back to G as needed. Most hotspots are G speeds too.

Sounds like something that needs to be changed in your computer. Like the password may not be right or the like.

Aj
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This is may be one of the

This is may be one of the stupid question. I have g wireless router. I use my iphone wifi internet via g router. Is the internet speed will change if I change g to N router? and would it work with N wireless router? Thanks, James

macguyver
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Sometimes when I am on the

Sometimes when I am on the toilet I take a really gnarly shit that not only blows my ass wide open but also burns as it slides out. So does anyone have any tips about what I should do or what router I should get?

Nezar
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thanks all

thanks all
i like a such technological scientest discussion
and special thanks to Peter
But could u plz tell me wat is N and G stands for
i just would like to know
and i understood from this explination that N is Better and newwer than G...
if u have N wireless router its supposed to have also N card or adapter on laptop just to take advantege of the features as a whole
i have D-link Dir 655 Router its really very good router
i advice everybody to buy it
and i have HP Compaq 6720s laptop but not sure about the built in adapter if its G or N
and last question plz to all and Peter in special ..how could i use the USB in this kind of router..i thought its a shared storage for the connecter computers on this router but couldnt use it actually or dont know how to use it
i was havin Vista ...and now XP but didnt try it with XP
i might try it now
thanks all

nezar78@ymail.com

nezar78@ymail.com

Nezar
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