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jimmyjj
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3500L V2

hi

can anyone help me ,, i have a netgear 3500L v2,,

I have searched the site and cannot find any information as regard putting tomato firmware on it ,,???

i know on the 3500L you have to put a chk file on then ddwrt firm then tomato ,, i can find them files but there is no mention of files for the 3500LV2,,

has anyone who has the 3500LV2 got tomato on there router,, and what files did you use,,

any help appreciated

jimmy

cutebuny
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same here, wnr3500l V2, it

same here, wnr3500l V2, it doesn't accept any non netgear firmware

Brandon C
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It is listed in the DD-WRT

It is listed in the DD-WRT database. You might want to try the one it shows.
http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database

cutebuny
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they only have the v1 and not

they only have the v1 and not the v2

Brandon C
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cutebuny said: they only have

cutebuny said: they only have the v1 and not the v2

It looks like they do to me.

cutebuny
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thats the 3500, but netgear
Brandon C
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Thanks, Now I gotcha on the L

Thanks, Now I gotcha on the L and v2. I am not sure what the difference is. If it doesn't take the L V1 firmware then a look at what chipset and the other hardware would be in order.
Have you looked into what they are using hardware wise on it?

cutebuny
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nope not yet, my friend I don

nope not yet, my friend I don't have it with me right now as I finally ordered one today.

my friend ordered one from Amazon and got a V2 so I am sure that I will be getting a V2 also

digging up more info

http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WNR3500Lv2

Hopefully netgear didn't pull a linksys and cut the flash and RAM in half

(took a lot of bing searching and second life camping to rackup the Amazon.com gift cards)

jimmyjj
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hi

hi
thanks for keeping topic going ,,
on opening the 3500lv2,,
4 chips are broadcom bcm 53115 skfbg,,,
broadcom bcm 47186,,
samsung 107 k9f 1g08uod
winbond w971gg6jb-25

jimmy

Brandon C
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The Broadcom BCM47186 may be

The Broadcom BCM47186 may be different than the BCM4718 that the V1 uses.
You can see the switch is the same here.

http://www.myopenrouter.com/article/13860/WNR3500L-Open-Source-Guide-Res...

I have no idea right now on the rest. Can you turn on SSH or telnet and go to a shell prompt (telnet or ssh) and type the following

cat /proc/cpuinfo
That should give you more info.

cutebuny
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the linksys e3200 uses the

the linksys e3200 uses the same CPU

http://infodepot.wikia.com/wiki/Linksys_E3200_v1.0

dafek
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does this help:

does this help:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/tomatov2.jpg/

?

oops. false alarm. i think i have v1 :/

cutebuny
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BusyBox v1.7.2 (2011-07-22 15

BusyBox v1.7.2 (2011-07-22 15:11:05 SGT) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# cat /proc/cpuinfo
system type : Broadcom BCM5357 chip rev 1
processor : 0
cpu model : MIPS 74K V4.9
BogoMIPS : 239.20
wait instruction : no
microsecond timers : yes
tlb_entries : 64
extra interrupt vector : no
hardware watchpoint : yes
ASEs implemented : mips16 dsp
VCED exceptions : not available
VCEI exceptions : not available

unaligned_instructions : 34
dcache hits : 2147483648
dcache misses : 4244618014
icache hits : 2147483648
icache misses : 1940545341
instructions : 2147483648
#
# nvram get clkfreq
480,160,80
#

Brandon C
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Tathagata Das said: One major difference between WNR3500L and WNR3500Lv2 is WNR3500L uses serial flash whereas WNR3500Lv2 uses NAND flash.

Can you explain the difference between serial flash and NAND flash? This might help in figuring things out.

 

Kong
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The BCM47186 is a dual radio

The BCM47186 is a dual radio solution, same as Linksys E3200.

http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Soluti...

The reason why you cannot flash an existing chk file for the wnr3500l is, because the chk does not contain the correct header ( see ambitCfg in netgears src package) for the wnr3500lv2.

e.g.

WNR3500LV1:

#define AMBIT_HARDWARE_VERSION "U12H12700"

WNR3500LV2:
#define AMBIT_HARDWARE_VERSION "U12H17200"

I can create a compatible chk file, that the netgear update interface will accept. I don't think the nand flash should be a problem, rather the partition/flash layout. I guess this unit also has 60K or 64K of nvram space.

@cutebunny, if you run:

nvram show

what size does it report at the last line?

Kong
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@Tathagata

@Tathagata
the current drivers included by dd-wrt do not contain a nflash.c as in the netgear package, the netgear shipped wl_ap.0 says it's of version Broadcom BCM%04x 802.11 Wireless Controller 5.60.136. So the drivers are brandnew and I also doubt the unit will work without updateing the drivers.

So we will have to wait for BS to update the driver, after that eko usually adds patterns mtd layouts etc.

cutebuny
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On the last line it shows

On the last line it shows

size: 21592 bytes (11176 left)

Kong
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Puuuh, this doesn't look any

Puuuh, this doesn't look any good. Basically that is not enough to enjoy all features which are currently in my wnr3500lv1 build, which shows: size: 27272 bytes

Constantine A. M.
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This is great — releasing a

This is great — releasing a router specifically marked as an open-source router, whereas not only is it not supported by OSS (due to lack of specifications and datasheets on the hardware), but noone in the open-source community is even notified regarding the hardware changes nor of the fact that the new and incompatible hardware is already shipping. With none of the 3rd party firmwares working out of the box for weeks after the ship date!

Brilliant, NETGEAR! Thanks for your clearly false advertising and lack of appropriate hardware and revision specifications!

Want some advise? Before you ship the new hardware to Amazon like this, at least have the courtesy to notify OSS involved and make both the datasheets and the hardware readily available to OSS first.

cutebuny
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is there a way to increase

is there a way to increase the nvram storage, or use any additional flash memory storage left over as additional nvram?

Kong
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It would require to hack or

It would require to hack or compile (if we had the sources for it, but this is a broadcom problem) a new cfe.
But installing a new cfe isn't as easy as flashing the firmware.

So again this really sucks and if you look at the latest linksys models which have either 60k or 64k this is really sad.

cutebuny
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I think it may be listing

I think it may be listing both sizes separately

I did a full hard reset

size: 21420 bytes (11348 left) The total nvram may be 32768

with a router with what I am assuming to be 8MB flash storage, if the firmware is around 6-7MB, why cant they just spare a few more KB and reserve like 128K or so.

Is there any benefit to making it small?

Kong
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The only benefit of "keeping"

The only benefit of "keeping" it small is that you don't have to modify your kernel source code scripts etc.

So basically there was a time when 20k was okay, but since the feature set increased you need more, that howver requires a few changes in your code.
This is why you have different builds now, e.g. my E3000 build is not the same as my wnr3500lv1 build although they have the same hardware, the E3000 has 60K nvram and I compile them once with 60k defined and without.

Therefore the only reason is can think of is that netgear sticks with such low nvram is because it is less work for them. The more models out there the more differences the more work has to be done.

Thus dd-wrt is currently the only router firmware that has a single codebase which can be used to create builds for any router platform and it is pretty easy to integrate a new model. Tomato is limited to a few platforms, openwrt does not support all platforms.

Constantine A. M.
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FYI: I've ordered from

FYI: I've ordered from Amazon.com, order placed 2011-09-06; with free 5-8-day shipping, delivered to San Jose, CA from Nevada on 2011-09-08, and it's a recent v1 version from a recent mid-2011 batch (the CD package with warranty card is dated 18jul11), with the latest v1 firmware came pre-installed, V1.2.2.44_35.0.53NA.

So, YMMV, at least some Amazon warehouses still carry v1 instead of v2.

highvoltage
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I just flashed my WNR3500L V2

I just flashed my WNR3500L V2 last night (Sep 12, 2011) succesfully following the wiki (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNR3500L). I have wpa2, MAC Filtering, 2 Opensuse 11.4 computers (wireless and RJ45), 1 Windows XP laptop (wireless) and my PS3 (RJ45) running on it. Even streamed Netflix last night (over PS3) to test it out..... Granted I still need to mess more with the settings, but things are working.

Edit: I am not running Tomato. Just the .chk file, then the Big build of DD-WRT listed in the wiki are loaded.

Mrcemento
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Anybody has tested

Anybody has tested highvoltage's solution? My device is unable to load the chk file, it says "Firmware upgrade failed. Please check your file. "

cutebuny
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same here, there is no way

same here, there is no way that it can work, it doesn't have that special id thing that the router checks for and the file in that link is the same one from the main dd-wrt file that also did not work.

highvoltage
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Must be different versions of

Must be different versions of the router then? My Router reads . .
N300 Wireless Gigabit Router
WNR3500U/WNR3500L
http://i54.tinypic.com/2hrzs3k.jpg

DD-WRT reads (was copied and pasted)
Router Model Netgear WNR3500v2/U/L

Hope this may help with the different models . ? .

Taking the flashing slow. I am still looking over Tomato Build. I believe I would like Tomato better then DD-WRT.

// EDIT
Tried Tomato Firmware. Forced me back to the stock Netgear firmware. (used openSUSE to use the tftp upload technique to upload the stock *.chk firmware of the router, www.myopenrouter.com/article/13702/Recover-Your-Bricked-NETGEAR-WGR614L-...).

"tomato-K26USB-NVRAM60K-1.28.4402MIPSR2-Toastman-VL AN-BETA-VPN-NOCAT.trx" allowed me to connect to to the WNR3500L great. However, I was unable to get an IP address from my Cable Modem with it. I am sure it is something I did not tweak correctly, but it should not have been that difficult with this router with everything else working (3 hours of trying). I also tried tomato WNR6500L firmware here "www.myopenrouter.com/download/26575/Toastman-s-Tomato-Firmware-for-WNR35...". This flash I do not recommend since the firmware would not allow me to change the password using the GUI! I was also not able to connect to my cable modem to get an IP address. Again, I am sure there is a setting I missed somewhere, I have no idea.

DD-WRT big works fine with IPv4 only.

Long story short, I am back to the factory Firmware and my router would only accept the V1 Netgear firmware. Therefore I have to assume I have a V1, contrary to what DD-WRT and Tomato was reporting. Yes, it is working after a few Heart Stops of thinking I may have permanently bricked it.

Mrcemento
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Hi guys,

Hi guys,

Hoping that somebody could know what to do with this, here is the address for initial release source code:

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GPL/WNR3500Lv2-V1.0.0.10_30.0.43_...

closerToZero
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Can someone tell me how to

Can someone tell me how to determine if a WNR3500L is v1 or v2?

I got mine a couple of days ago and immediately flashed it with
1) dd-wrt.v24-17084_NEWD-2_K2.6_mini_WNR3500L.chk

and then
2) tomato-K26USB-1.28.9054MIPSR2-beta-vpn3.6.trx

after reading instructions on this site. Tomato reports model as:
"Netgear WNR3500L/U/v2", an reports "Total / Free NVRAM : 32.00KB/17.63KB"

For future reference (if I need to flash stock firmware on it) is my WNR3500L a v1 or v2?

This is confusing, and I'm happy I didn't brick it. Shame on you, Netgear, for changing specs without telling your customers!

Kong
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@closerToZero,

@closerToZero,

tomato and dd-wrt currently report the wrong version. They all should report Netgear WNR3500/v2/U/L.

Currently you cannot flash dd-wrt or tomato on a WNR3500Lv2, since Netgear firmware on a WNR3500LV2 will not allow you to flash a wnr3500lv1compatible firmware, it checks the AMBIT_HARDWARE_VERSION.

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